Datsun ON-DO and MI- Do: main problems of operation. Danchevan Oven - Reviews of owners with photos Many places in Danchen it

The Japanese reportput of Datsun on-do is our brother of our Lada Granta. Did the "Japanese" were inherited by the problem of the Russian relative? We decided to find out and came to the conclusion that around all the "sore" on-do is too much noise. And in the literal sense.

It is worth recognizing that not all malfunctions Datsun on-do official representation confirmed. However, some problems for the model are really recognized, but how they are eliminated - and whether they are relevant at all - we told us the brand specialists.

Strong noise when working climate installation compressor

Someone from the Owners on-do complains that their car is buzzing like a tractor. Someone, on the contrary, rejoices and jokingly says that the car sounds like a supercar. It is possible to characterize this noise in different ways, but the source of it is one: this is a compressor of the climate installation. Often, the owners note that when the climatic installation is turned on, the machine makes outsiders - as if something somewhere touched under the hood.

In the official representation of Datsun, we were confirmed that it really happened - more precisely, it happened. "As was revealed, this noise is due to the design of the air conditioner tubes when the compressor is running. For car owners, a warranty replacement tube on the tube with a silencer was introduced, for new cars - a change in the design in production. This question is resolved at the end of 2014, that is, at the start Sales, and not relevant today "- assured in representation.

Gul gearbox

But this sound got "Datsun" inherited from his Russian relative, Lada Granta. There are already legends about the "VAZ" mechanical transmission and its vocal data. The characteristic hum is very easily recognized from a thousand and not passes for many years, even though the design of the box and updated: and the cable drive was set, and the snap was changed to improve the quality of the gears, - however, the "sing" the box continues. ON-DO got the same mechanic - respectively, and the box has not changed.

"The hum is a feature of this gearbox, the reason we see in the design of the CP, namely in the gear profile. In mid-2016, a measure to reduce the noise of the mechanical transmission, which consists in changing the profile of the second and main transmission to which noise It manifests itself to a greater extent. Thus, it was possible to significantly reduce the level of noise MCP, "noted in the representation.

However, this hum is a full "childhood disease", perhaps, you can't call - rather an annoying constructive feature. But the manufacturer, it turns out, does not sit back and modests the design.

Noise generator

Yes, and again - noise! So it turns out that "sick" on-do is quite noisy. Another source of excessive undercaping noise may be the generator - according to some owners, "sing" starts the tensioner's roller. In the official representation, however, note that there are no problems with the generator at the moment there are no problems with the generator, and on machines a little older does not arise problems with warranty replacements.

"When handling the noise of the generator, the dealer must check all the details and in the event of a malfunction to be replaced under warranty. For new cars, this question is not relevant today," they told in Datsun.

Skyrplay of ball supports

However, some faults representation in official commentary confirmed - for example, rapid wear of ball supports. Meanwhile, the owners often pay attention to the syligations in the front suspension and talk about cases of warranty replacements.

However, Datsun notes that they constantly work on improving the model and collect owners' complaints. "We collect statistics on customer appeals, study feedback from dealerships, work closely with production. Despite the fact that in three years of preparation of the project, a colossal engineering work was carried out on the settings and refinement of the technical part of the models, the base on which our cars were built. , has a field for improvement and elimination of hereditary features. What we have achieved positive changes in any question does not mean that we stop monitoring it in the future. Despite positive results, we analyze deviations that may be the cause of increased noise. , We are negotiating with colleagues in the Alliance and discuss what else can be done in this direction. Also, many issues are solved at the level of production adjustments for new cars and at the level of addressing the dealer for already sold, "they say in Datsun.

Of course, the owners of classmates and competitors can gloat and stay in full confidence that they have certainly made a competent choice and bought the most reliable and trouble-free car. But the ideal cars do not exist, and the fact that your favorite model has not yet appeared in this heading, means only one thing: we simply have not reached it yet.

"Hodovka" Danchean

The uncomplicated scheme of the chassis of Dancheson models OH-to and, copied with domestic, has high reliability and efficiency. At the same time, the price tag for its service is more than moderate. And the initial orientation is precisely on the domestic market and its conditions only added points to the active part of the Japanese. However, the perfect version does not exist and breakage in the suspension of Dustun - a matter of time, though not soon.

The running part of Datun is-up - bottom view (front section).

Diagnostics of malfunction on dance

It is forces and the driver itself, since the layout scheme is simple and worked out. Consequently, it is not necessary to go on a certified service station. In addition, a significant part of the faults is eliminated by its own, and the repair process is described in detail in the MI-DO service manual.

Datsun ON-DO and MI-DO suspension - a common bottom view.

The diagnosis of probable breakdowns is made in accordance with the existing table.

Duration models are firmly conquered by the Russian market, and their number on the roads grow rapidly. Nevertheless, many still doubt the feasibility of acquiring a Japanese sedan-before, reflecting on whether to give preference to him, or save a little and buy a Russian car? Or at all purchase a used foreign car? In search of the answer, after a time, they reread the forums with reviews from the real owners of DanSon on, in order to learn in advance about the weak places of the sedan. From the moment of launching Danches, a rather long time passed, so that certain conclusions about the reliability of the model can already be done.

How are things with reliability in he-up?

Involving thinking

Often, in reviews of DanSon, it is possible to meet angry exclamations regarding the lack of "pleasant little things", like a mirror in the visors, armrest, niche for phones, disks, and the like. However, you should not forget that this is a configuration question, and if during an inspection or test drive, the future owner did not pay attention to such moments or decided to save on the configuration, then the car is clearly not worth it in this.

Basic configuration is one of the reasons for complaints on it. But the reliability here has nothing to do with it.

The main aspects on which visitors to forums are drawn while viewing feedback on it - it is reliability, consumption, convenience in operation, service price, possible improvements, operations that can be performed independently, etc.

In general, reviews about Danches He-to positive. Of course, without negative, it does not do, but their clearly minority. In addition, it is always necessary to take into account the subjective factor, namely, what kind of car in Danchean has moved its current owner.

Positive reviews

They, as a rule, relate to acceptable driving qualities, good work of the suspension, the traction engine, a huge trunk, a fairly quiet cabin and other things.

Oleg

Thus, the owner of Oleg from Moscow acquired a new sedan on February 23, 2015, but release 15.12, 2014, with a mechanical gearbox and an 87-strong engine in the version of Dream 1. Together with OSAGO, CASCO and some dopes (mats, winter tires and Other) He cost him 450,000 rubles. At the moment, the car passed 27,000 km along the plains, tracks, mountainous terrain, serpents and country roads. Oleg opinion is particularly important, since, by the nature of its activities, he travels a lot (300-500 km daily).

Oleg is very pleased with his choice.

At first he was drunk a little nervously, but after 1,000 km, the run-in everything was fine. The owner notes a good dynamics of the motor, which is enough for overtaking even with climate control enabled, at the expense of the highway in 7 l AI-95. No sound insulation, comfortable seats, pleases a big trunk. The clearance is also sufficient to drive to the cottage or by the countryside, nothing is clinging.

Nikita

This is a review of the Kazakhstan Buyer, which is only a month ago I bought a new, 87-strong one-to-one with a manual box, in configuration Trust 1 in the city of Aktobe. Question price - 1,590,000 tenge. Mileage is still extremely small - only 600 km. Nevertheless, Nikita notes that the car holds the road well, and in the stream does not lag behind. I like a spacious trunk, which is very relevant for a large family. The sedan is spacious and high, the visibility is excellent, including thanks to the high landing, and the places behind enough, the road clearance also pleases. At the moment, serious problems are not observed.

Nikita sedan from Kazakhstan also does not cause special problems to its owner.

Victor

He bought DanSon on-until 2014 release in Yekaterinburg, in February 2015, with an 82 liter engine. from. and MT. Auto operated quite actively and today mileage has already reached 30,000 km. He is pleased with many advantages of the car, of which he especially celebrates good, as for its class, handling and small reversal radius. In addition, a well-tuned power steering amplifier, high ground clearance, as well as the easy work of the clutch and accelerator pedals give him the opportunity to go quite confidently.

A impressive clearance - Many Dance owners allocate this parameter. And Victor is no exception.

It also highlights the rapid heating of the cabin in the cold, a huge trunk, high-quality optics, and still excellent suspension work, which imperceptibly swallows small pits and irregularities. There were no problems with launching in the frost. In addition, he suggests that many parts should be approached with grants that he has no matter what is not too expensive.

Sergey

Sergey became the owner of He-until in 2014, having bought it in the Kursk Motor Show. His choice fell on a 82-strong sedan with "mechanics". He admits that one of the most important arguments, in addition to the price, was the volume of the trunk, as Sergey travels a lot to the car and often uses the car to work. And now the mileage on the odometer is 16,000 km. And in general, it is a modern budget car with all major amenities.

A huge trunk is one of the reasons why Sergey and bought it.

Among other things, Sergey marks a low cost, since that-1 cost him just 4,500 rubles. It is satisfied with reliability, and the options of admissions in the way and free diagnostics before the long trip guarantee him a prosperous journey.

Negative reviews

They are also enough. Nevertheless, it is worth understanding that some owners he-until simply impose overestimated requirements for cars. For example, they complain about the lack of dynamics, forgetting that the engines are 82 or 87 liters under the hood. s., and the like. In addition, it is necessary to clarify that many negative reviews are connected with the work of dealers who often impose as previous buyers, leave the replacement of components under warranty, preferring to repair defective nodes, overestimate the cost of both spare parts, etc.

The ratio of dealers Danchean is the source of many problems and negative reviews.

Yes, and the hosts already marked by some moments. So, Oleg from Moscow draws attention to the briefness of plastic latches, the weakness of the LCP and the hum from the air conditioner compressor. Nikita from Aktoba has complaints about the clarity of the operation of the CAT and the dealer's attitude to customers. Victor from Yekaterinburg comes on the noise of the work of the CAT and weak noise insulation. Sergey from Kursk does not like the driver's seat, in which he can not pick up a comfortable landing.

Dmitriy

Dmitry became the owner of He-until in October 2014, when he bought a sedan with a manual transmission and an 87th power engine at the Tyumen Motor Show. The total mileage was 12,000 km. At the moment he has several reasons to be dissatisfied with his choice. The car "eats" oil is about 500 ml per 1,000 km, which is clearly not normally for the new machine. After winter, crickets appear in the cabin. Sometimes a crunch came out of the box, and the paint decent, even from small pebbles, the paint is saddened, especially since it is impossible to smear the chole paint even at the dealer, because there are no paints in stock.

The need to constantly top up the oil is one of the problems that Dmitry faced.

In general, on negative reviews, it can be seen that Danchen's serious defects are practically no. However, the owners periodically come across the machines with poorly conducted by pre-sale preparation, the result of which the small unpleasant moments become the result, which are only aggravated by the reluctance of the significant mass of the dealer centers to eliminate them.

In the presented video from the real owner of DanSon, it is highlighted by some points of operation of the machine:

More than three years have passed since the moment the cars of the DanSon brand appeared on the market. Therefore, according to Russian legislation, these machines are officially considered to be used. Experts of the Portal "Avtovzallov" found out how difficult the Japanese sedans and hatchbacks of Russian origin are in operation.

For many it is no secret that Datsun on-Do is a ledged sedan Lada Granta, and Mi-Do is the refined version of the domestic Lada Kalina, while the technical filling of the car is the same. Therefore, we are essentially a product of the Togliatti auto plant, a little seasoned by Japanese marketing sauce. But under it, as already mentioned, the same aggregate basis that "grants" and "Kalina" have. At the same time, a lot in the "Japanese" is improved compared to their Russian counterparts. In addition to the transformed appearance and the cabin, many nodes, mechanisms and individual parts of the sedan and hatchback have been thoroughly refined.

According to one of their technical representatives of Datsun, more than 1000 machine elements were survived. Indeed, compared to the same "grant" and "Kalina", the Japanese sedan and hatchback have become noticeably quieter on the go - they are more effective, the engine at idle works smaller and quieter, the mechanical boxes partially got rid of the characteristic transmission "upwards", and the transmission It is included clearer and less effort. In general, in Datsun on-do and Mi-Do attention to the trifles compared to their Russian sobrases.

However, as the classics said, they will not go far on the carriage of the past. After all, from cars that were developed more than 15 years ago, it is difficult to make a competitive modern car. All flaws and flaws of their design are invariably pop up in Datsun on-do / mi-do. So, for example, many owners are straining, as well as domestic previews, opening the front doors on 90 degrees. Not only can they be elementary to damage the obstacle in close proximity. And if it is parked near the expensive car, then it is not easier to get a simple money.

The Body is given a factory guarantee of 6 years from through corrosion. On the one hand, very good. And on the other, some instances of Datsun on-DO and MI-DO can be bloated by rusty spots after the first Russian winter. Moreover, not only the characteristic elements of the body, such as wheeled arches and thresholds, and almost all parts - doors, hood, wings, and even the roof. Yes, yes, this sometimes happens, although not the nature of the epidemic. Of course, the trapezoids of wipers (1,500 rubles), the door locks are poorly operated and fixed, the windshield is quickly scratched. Most likely, this is the wines of the adjoins. But it is still possible to delay the consumer.

Failures in electrical equipment also take place. Moreover, they intersect with similar problems on the "grant" and "Kalina". There may be climate control block, refuse the "janitor" electromotor or with an enviable periodicity of lamps in lighting devices. By the way, on the Datsun On-Do test, one electric case happened also. No way wanted to turn off the fog lights. Even when the engine was muffle, the ignition was turned off, and the car was put on guard, the fog continued to shine. Repeat on and off the node has not led to anything.

I had to shoot a minus terminal from the battery and wait until the morning, since the late evening was already. The next day, disobeying the switching unit of the light modes, set back - the fog still continues to "burn". In general, we decided to pull the relevant fuses, but before that they checked once again - the headlights turned off by themselves. According to servicemen, the "walking" faults would say ... After that, I no longer use the fog, until I returned the car to the dealer.

As for the motors, gasoline 8-valve engines of 1.6 l with a capacity of 82 and 87 liters were installed on ON-DO. with., as well as a 106-strong 16-valve. At the same time, MI-DO was content with only an 87-strong "four". Eight-flaped units are generally reliable. True, in some instances of Datsun, an increased oil consumption is seen. With age, the valve lid can leak. However, the repair is worthwhile penny - it is enough to install a new gasket or plant the cover on the sealant. The belt of the gas distribution mechanism is prescribed to change every 75,000 km, but the mechanics are recommended to think about its update after 50,000. The water pump (2300 rubles) is advisable to change at the same time with the timing belt - usually it fails after 100,000 km. The fact is that the drowned pump can jam and then the teeth cut off the belt.

If such a malfunction occurs with a 106-strong engine, the valves will meet with pistons and the engine overhaul is provided. This "four", by the way, is noticeably aimed at operating compared to the "eight-point".

All motors periodically fail the spark plugs, oxygen sensors (1900 rubles) and mass flow of air (from 2800 rubles). Often it is buggy control unit of the ECU engine, which is why the motor suddenly stalls and refuses to start again. Over time, the glands of the crankshaft and distribution shafts begin to leak - well, if the front. To replace the rear sensor of the crankshaft will have to remove the clutch.

By the way, the clutch knot usually goes to 100,000 km. True, on "DanShuns" sometimes to 30,000 km may need to replace the clutch disk. Although it is better to update the mechanism entirely with a basket and extrusion bearing. The five-speed "mechanics" traditionally wear out the synchronizers of the second transmission. This sore was not only on the "grant" and "Kalina", but also on the VAZ machines of the tenth family. Here it is heredity. But the repair of the box is inexpensive - from 12,000 rubles.

The automatic transmission of Jatco, which was put at first only on hatchbacks, and from the fall of 2016 on the "Danchen" sedans, albeit ancient, but trouble-free. It is necessary only once every 60,000 km to change the oil in it, and it will easily survive the engine.

The Datsun ON-DO and MI-DO suspension is simple in design, energy-intensive and durable. In the risk group, the rear hub bearings that are hosted 50,000 km. But the front is kept twicear longer. If the steering rail goes, it can only pull the lock nuts with a special key. True, the electric powerfulness sometimes gives failures - the mechanism suddenly ceases to work, but after some time it can be in the ranks again.

... In general, both "Danchean" can not boast of exemplary reliability. However, the content of the sedan and hatchback on the pocket of even pensioners and students, and there are spare parts in a singer of penny compared to foreign cars. After all, we will repeat in which already once, it is, in fact, the same Lada Granta and Kalina.

➖ Quality color
➖ Assembly quality
➖ Handling
➖ Frequent sideways problems

pros

➕ Spacious trunk
➕ High clearance
➕ Dynamics

The advantages and disadvantages of Danchesong on-to 2018-2019 in the new body are identified on the basis of reviews of real owners. More detailed pros and cons of Datsun on-do with mechanics and machine gun can be found from the stories below.

Ownership reviews

Impressions from the car cost half a million spoiled in half a year when I started climbing the rust on all four doors of the cabin. Next thresholds, today discovered rust on the inside of the front hood. In general, iron is rotting earlier than on Soviet Zhiguli, which began to rot after 3 years of operation.

Video Feedback

The car is worth his money, but only in 2014. Quality has not changed over time, but the price has grown substantially. This car is not the first, there were 2 four VAZ 2104 and VAZ 21111. Of course, on the comfort of Danchen, it is better, but I haven't met worse than assembly and painting. The interior is all thundering, the paint is falling off with layers, in the Motor Show Hamyat and the claims are not taken, they dump everything to the owner.

Kuzma Gerasimov, goes to Danchen on-to 1.6 (87 hp) MT 2014

Normal car, for 60,000 km nothing but oil has not changed. Auto working in taxi mode all day. Winter has rolled out with a bang, the factory without problems, the signaling is native without an automobile plant, oil changed after 10,000 km, lilly 5/40 Synthetic Nord itself Belgium.

Kurt, Rides on Datsun on-Do 1.6 (87 forces) MT 2015

I have it in the configuration of the trust, I took a replacement of VAZ 2114. I was pleased with the steering booster, the lighting, the volume of the trunk. The speaker is not bad. On the second thousand km of mileage on the torpedo, the engine malfunction lamp included. Already mileage 9,000 km, did not give itself a malfunction. We operate in St. Petersburg, I go through the CAD. Very unstable behaves at speed - it is noticeably swinging to the left-right. If a beacon is present, then you can lose control.

The side windows are not completely lowered. The intra-alone mirror of the slaughter - nothing can be seen, do not change to panoramic - sunscreen visors interfere. There are not enough turn repeater in the mirrors, tires the buzzer of turning on the turns, you have to turn on the turn signal immediately before turning, just to listen to it. With a sharp acceleration, especially with a slip, the engine can sharply reset turnover to the minimum that when overtaking and especially the left turn on the traffic light can cause an accident.

SERGEY FLUERAR, review about Datsun on-do 1.6 (87 hp) on the mechanics of 2015 G.V.

Where can one buy?

He took in January 2017 in the configuration of Dream 1. It is quite a decent device (after the VAZ 15-ki). The box is buzzing, like everyone else, brake overlays whistling, the stove appears (not there in the auto mode).

Consumption while running and only the city is 12.5 liters. Another chip liked - foam in the left central deflector - supposedly technological features. I also noticed that the rear headlamps in the frost after washing and fog. In frosts at -30 degrees lack the rear left door for opening for opening, it is necessary to help your hands.

Review of DanSon On-to 1.6 Mechanics 2016

While the impressions are only positive, I have a car just 2 weeks, and while I rode 300 km. There is a run-in car, and I also get used to. I can say that the engine and the box does not work well. The climate is very cool: the weather was from +15 to +28, and it works on "5".

The clearance is good, especially on our killed roads. The suspension pleases the balance of stiffness and softness, the "4" accurately earns, and a semi-jar. Getting used to the steering wheel. Dananun he-before it is electric. Capacity and permeability I appreciate the solid "5".

The owner goes to Datsun on-do 1.6 (87 hp) MCPP 2016 GV